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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby JJF » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:01 pm

epleng wrote:NO, FAITH IS NOT WORKS AND WORKS IS NOT FAITH; THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
THIS IS HOW THE BIBLE DEFINES FAITH:
Hebrews 11:1
New King James Version (NKJV)
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
JOHN 8:31 DOES NOT PROVE THAT FAITH IS THE SAME AS WORKS.
THE VERSE IS SAYING THAT IF YOU TRULY BELIEVED OR HAD FAITH IN JESUS, YOU WILL SURELY OBEY HIS TEACHINGS.
IN OTHER WORDS, FAITH WILL PRODUCE OBEDIENCE OR WORKS.
FAITH PRODUCES OBEDIENCE AND WORKS BUT FAITH IS NOT WORKS.


Ha? What are you talking about? I'm not saying faith and works are the same, I'm saying that the law of Christ is the same as the law of faith, because risour faith is based on the Lord Jesus Christ. If you truly have faith in Him you will surely obey Him and be part of His church, the Church of Christ. And let me give you a hint, the Lord Jesus Christ said John 8:31 to those who already believed in Him ;)

epleng wrote:Mark 16:16
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
1) DOES WATER BAPTISM REALLY NEEDED FOR SALVATION?
2) HOW COME ON THE SECOND PHRASE IT DID NOT SAY "BUT HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE AND NOT BAPTIZED WILL BE CONDEMNED"?
3) WERE THERE ANY PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT WATER BAPTIZED YET STILL PART OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?
4) IF THEY WERE NOT WATER BAPTIZED THEN HOW COULD THEY STILL BE PART OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?


1) Isn't it?
2) Because if you don't believe you are considered already condemned in the eyes of God, in other words those who have heard the gospel but are still outside the church, are already condemned.
3) Bro. Felix Y. Manalo??
4) Yes.

epleng wrote:Romans 16:16
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.
1) THE VERSE SAYS "CHURCHES OF CHRIST", IT DID NOT SAY "MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST".
2) SA TAGALOG "MGA IGLESIA NI CRISTO", HINDI SINABI NA "MGA KAANIB NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO".


Yup, that's what I said. Are you really reading my post? As I said a member is called a Church of Christ because he/she is part of Jesus' body. We are the "Churches of Christ", in tagalog we are called, "Mga Iglesia ni Cristo" :)

epleng wrote:CHURCH OF CHRIST IS NOT A NAME OF A RELIGION.
IF YOU MAKE "CHURCH OF CHRIST" AS A NAME OF A RELIGION; THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL MAKE "CHURCH OF GOD" AND "CHURCH OF THE LORD" ALSO BE NAMES OF RELIGION.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY ELI SORIANO'S "IGLESIA NG DIYOS" OR "CHURCH OF GOD" ALSO CLAIMS THAT THE NAME OF THE TRUE RELIGION IS THEIRS.
IN FACT, THEY ARE SAYING THAT "CHURCH OF GOD" APPEARS MORE IN THE BIBLE THAN "CHURCH OF CHRIST".
I HAVE NEVER PREACHED TO YOU ABOUT RELIGION, AND UNTIL NOW YOU STILL DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF MY RELIGION.
ALL YOU KNOW IS THAT I AM A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN AND BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN IS NOT A NAME OF A RELIGION.
BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS ARE THOSE BELIEVERS WHO TRULY PUT THEIR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.


Yeah, because you don't have a religion :P

epleng wrote:Acts 20:28
New King James Version (NKJV)
28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
1) THAT IS EXACTLY WHY LAMSA CHANGE THE WORD "GOD" INTO "CHRIST" BECAUSE HE COULD NOT BELIEVED THAT THE FATHER HAS A BLOOD. HE EVEN TRANSLATES FROM AN ARAMAIC TEXT TO SATISFY HIS BELIEFS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THE NEW TESTAMENTS ORIGINAL TEXTS WERE WRITTEN IN ARAMAIC.
2) NOW, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM ABOUT THIS VERSE IF YOU BELIEVED THAT JESUS IS BOTH GOD AND MAN. THE WORD "GOD" HERE REFERS TO JESUS.
3) JESUS CHRIST IS THE GOD WHO PURCHASED HIS CHURCH WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.
4) JESUS CHRIST IS GOD AND MAN; HIS DEITY DOES NOT HAVE BLOOD BUT HIS HUMANITY HAS.
5) SO IT IS CORRECT TO SAY THAT GOD PURCHASED HIS CHURCH WITH HIS OWN BLOOD IF GOD HERE IS JESUS CHRIST WHO IS BOTH GOD AND MAN.


Ha? Are you really reading the Bible? The God who is referred to throughout the Bible is no other than God the Father. So you can't say that God in there is Jesus. If you can show me a verse that says "God Jesus Christ" then I'll accept what you are saying. So until then, please believe the translation of Lamsa is the more rightful translation for the verse.

epleng wrote:Philippians 2:12
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
1) FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO PHRASE "TO MAINTAIN IT" IN THE VERSE; THAT IS ONLY IN YOUR THINKING.
2) NOW, JUST TO SATISFY YOUR QUESTION: I EQUATE "SALVATION" WITH "BODY" OR "MUSCLES", I DID NOT EQUATE "SALVATION" WITH "HEALTHIER BODY" OR "HEALTHIER MUSCLES".
3) THE BELIEVERS IN THE VERSE ALREADY HAVE SALVATION JUST LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE BODY OR MUSCLES.
4) THE BELIEVERS ARE WORKING OUT SOMETHING THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE; THEY ARE NOT WORKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL HAVE.
5) THEY ARE WORKING OUT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE THEY ARE SAVED; THEY ARE NOT WORKING OUT THEIR SALVATION TO BE SAVE.
6) THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY "WORKING OUT" WAS USED INSTEAD OF "WORKING FOR".


Yes there isn't a phrase that say "to maintain it" but I'm asking you why are you working out your body? Isn't is to maintain it? You are the one that said to work out is to exercise. Then why are you working out your salvation? For nothing? Let me enlighten you, all that are part of the Church of Christ are already saved, they have done the will of God to be part of Christ. But being part of the church enough to be saved? One must endure until the end for one to attain the promised eternal life.

Hebrews 10:36 (NLT)
Patient endurance is what you need now, so that you will continue to do God’s will. Then you will receive all that he has promised.

epleng wrote:FOREKNOWLEDGE IS NOT THE SAME AS PREDESTINATION.
FOREKNOWLEDGE IS JUST SIMPLY KNOWING THE FUTURE WHILE PREDESTINATION IS GOD CHOOSING ONLY THOSE HE WANTED TO BE SAVED REGARDLESS OF OUR CHOICE.
GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE DOES NOT AFFECT HIS JUDGMENT ON PEOPLE, BECAUSE GOD'S JUDGMENT IS BASED ON OUR CHOICE.


So, you accept that God's foreknowledge has nothing to do or does not affect one's salvation because God has given us freewill. Ok, thank you.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby epleng » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:46 pm

work out? LALO NAMANG WALANG IDEA DITO NA MAGWORK OUT KA KASI LIGTAS KA NA.
may tinutukoy dito si Pablo. Sinasabi nya sumusunod kayo kahit wala ako.

Nakalimutan nyo na yata ang definition ng Work Out.

sabi nya rito. magpagal kayo. pagsumikapan, lubusin: ang ano ang pag pagpapapagalan o pagsusumikapan. ano ang bibigyan natin ng effort. ano ang kailangang lubusin. dito hindi lang mag maintain. kundi ibigay mo ang buong effort mo. Pag sinabing work out-may gagawin ka.
pag sinabi mo bang work out, wala kang gagawin?

magbigay ka ng effort na na maging ganap ang kaligtasan mo.Paano, sumunod, na wag nang lakaran muli ang dating ginagawa,meron man sya o wala sa tabi nila si pablo.ang mga gawaing pita ng laman. Ang pita ng laman, mahirap talikuran iyan, kahit may pananampalataya ka, hindi nakakaiwas sa pag gawa ng pita ng laman. Akala mo ba madaling talikuran ang pita ng laman.


PAREHAS LANG NAMAN TAYONG NANINIWALA SA GAWA; ANG PAGKAKAIBA LANG NATIN AY ITO:
KAYO AY GUMAGAWA PARA MALIGTAS
KAMI AY GUMAGAWA DAHIL NALIGTAS

tulad na lang ng isang pastor dito. sabi nya ligtas na sya, sabi mo naman hindi sya totoong born again. kung sumasalansyang sya. Ano ba talaga.

ang pita ng laman na nasa kalooblooban nya eh hindi nya kayang iwasan. approximately 12 years ago, pinaalis kami ng anak nya patungong abroad. naging madali ang pag alis namin. pero humiling sya ng 10 percent sa kita namin, alam namin iyon dahil dati rin nyo akong kasamahan. mas naging strick lang ang pagkolekta, at syempre masmalaki. 10 thousand monthly, 20 person. i compute mo, sa isang buwan, sa loob ng 12 months, magarang chapel na sana iyon. pero walang nangyari. kahit isang poste walang tumayo. at sa australia nag aaral ang mga apo.pagdating ko parehong aral ang naririnig ko sa kanya. sila daw ay justified na. at patuloy syang nangungulekta ng 10 percent sa mga pinapaalis nila. may nakalimutan yata sya, ang MAG MAINTAIN. pag dumarating ako, naririnig kong lagi na naliligaw ako ng landas. ang kapit bahay ng lumalakad sa maling gawain, pakikisama sa di nya asawa. masmalala ang ginagawa ng asawa ng tiyuhin ko.pero di ko na sasabihin kung ano ginagawa. kung sakaling maghukom ngayong oras na ito, ligtas ba ang mga ito?
Kung sila ang tatanungin, ligtas na daw sila.dahil may pananampalataya sila. Nakakatawa di ba. maliwanag na ang gumagawa ng pita ng laman ay pakikipag alit sa Dyos.Ang kausap nya rito ay ang mga taong may pananamapalataya na.
Roma 8:7 sapagkat ang pagsasaisip ng laman ay nangangahulugan ng pakikipag-alit+ sa Diyos


HINDI LAHAT NG NAGSASABI NA SILA AY BORN AGAIN; AY TALAGANG BORN AGAIN.
PWEDENG MAGKAMALI ANG TAO AT MADAYA ANG KANIYANG SARILI.
ANG ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED AY SA PANINGIN NG DIYOS LAMANG, AT HINDI SA PANINGIN NG TAO.
GOD IS ALL KNOWING AND HE HAS FOREKNOWLEDGE. ALAM NG DIYOS ANG LAHAT AT ALAM NIYA ANG MANGYAYARI BAGO PA MAN ITO MANGYARI; KAYA HINDI PWEDENG MAGKAMALI ANG DIYOS.

Maliwanag ang sabi ng biblia, itiwalag nyo sa iglesia ang masama nyong kasamahan. totoo maaring mawala ang tinatamasa mong kaligtasan tulad ni ananias at sapira. tulad din ni judas. hindi ka man matiwalag dahil hindi ka nakita ng mata ng tao, pero hindi mo matatakasan ang mata ng Dyos.


PATUNAYAN MO SA AKIN SA BIBLIA NA SINASABI NA SI JUDAS, ANANIAS AT SAPIRA AY NALIGTAS. SAAN MABABASA SA BIBLIA NA SILA AY NALIGTAS?

walang ka talagang makikitang salitang maintain, pero ang idea nandon.

pag sinabing wag ng lakaran ang dati, walang salitang maintain, pero ang Idea nandon. malinis na ang damit mo, ingatan mong wag nang mamantsahan muli.

pag sinabing magbigay ka ng effort, magpagal ka, mahirap kasi eh. pero magtyaga ka. hindi automatic, na walang kahirap hirap.


IT IS EITHER YOU'RE SAVED OR YOU'RE NOT SAVED.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TO MAINTAIN YOUR SALVATION FOR YOU NOT TO LOSE IT.
KAPAG IKAW AY BINIGYAN NG KALIGTASAN NG DIYOS, IKAW AY BINIGYAN NIYA NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN.
KUNG IKAW AY BINIGYAN NG DIYOS NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN, PAGKATAPOS AY NAWALA;
THEN HINDI NA YON MATATAWAG PANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN, KUNDI BUHAY NA MAY HANGGANAN.
ANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN AY HINDI NAPUPUTOL, TULUY-TULOY YAN; KAYA NGA WALANG HANGGAN.
KAYA HINDI PUPWEDENG MAWALA ANG KALIGTASAN.


Ang tunay na may pananampalataya ay ang gumawa. dahil sa gumawa sila pinatunayan nila ang kanilang pananampalataya. ang salitang pananampalataya ay believe.

14 Mga kapatid, ano ang mapapala ng isang tao kung sabihin man niyang siya'y may pananampalataya, ngunit hindi naman niya ito pinapatunayan sa gawa? Maililigtas ba siya ng ganoong uri ng pananampalataya?

Ang sa inyo, hindi na kailangang patunayan, sasampalataya lang.

Pero humihingi ng katibayan o patunay si santiago eh

At ito ang pahayag ni Santiago sa salitang pananampalataya lamang
Diyan ninyo makikita na itinuturing na matuwid ang isang tao dahil sa kanyang mga gawa at di dahil sa kanyang pananampalataya lamang.

pananampalataya at gawa po hindi pananampalataya lamang.
dahil kahit paano nyo man ipaliwanag ang tunay na pananampalataya sinasabi nyo, nananatiling pananampalataya at gawa pa rin ang nakikita ko sa paraan ng pagpapaliwanag nyo.


KAYA NGA BASAHIN MONG MABUTI ANG SANTIAGO 2:14-26 AT INTINDIHIN MONG MABUTI; DALAWA ANG KLASE O URI NG PANANAMPALATAYA DIYAN.
14 Mga kapatid, ano ang mapapala ng isang tao kung sabihin man niyang siya'y may pananampalataya, ngunit hindi naman niya ito pinapatunayan sa gawa? Maililigtas ba siya ng ganoong uri ng pananampalataya?
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby epleng » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:52 pm

jessibelle wrote:Ang Gawa 20:28- marami ang saling griego dyan. ang isa ang sinasabi mo, ang iba naman ay Panginoon sa halip na Dyos, ang lamsa ay Cristo. ipagpalagay natin isa dyan ay mali, ang Cristo o kaya ang Dyos. pero maliwanag sa ibang salin, PANGINOON. Iglesia ng panginoon. Sino ang panginoong tinutukoy. si Cristo. dahil sya ang nagbuhos ng dugo, hindi ang Ama. kaya walang mali sa Gawa 20:28 sa pagkakasalin ng lamsa. Iglesia ni Crito na binili nya ng kanyang sariling dugo.


ANG LAMSA TRANSLATION NG NEW TESTAMENT AY HINDI GALING SA GRIYEGO, KUNDI GALING SA ARAMAIC.
ANG BAGONG TIPAN AY ISINULAT SA GRIYEGO AT HINDI SA ARAMAIC.
WALANG EBIDENSYA NA NAGPAPATUNAY NA ANG ORIHINAL NA TEXTO NG BAGONG TIPAN AY ISINULAT SA ARAMAIC.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby jessibelle » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:19 pm

LOLS OO nga pala. Aramaic nga pala iyon. Ganon pa man, may salin pa rin sa griego na panginoon. at hindi Dyos. Ang Aramaic naman pagkakaalam ko don, iyon ang native tongue ni Cristo. At hindi din naman masasabing hindi reliable ang Aramaic. At natural na ang tinutukoy don ay si Cristo. at hindi ang Ama.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby epleng » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:30 pm

jessibelle wrote:LOLS OO nga pala. Aramaic nga pala iyon. Ganon pa man, may salin pa rin sa griego na panginoon. at hindi Dyos. Ang Aramaic naman pagkakaalam ko don, iyon ang native tongue ni Cristo. At hindi din naman masasabing hindi reliable ang Aramaic. At natural na ang tinutukoy don ay si Cristo. at hindi ang Ama.


HINDI KA PUPWEDENG MAGSALIN SA IBANG LINGGUAHE; ANG PAGSASALIN AY KAILANGAN GALING SA ORIHINAL NA LINGGUAHE KUNG SAAN ITO ISINULAT.
TIGNAN MO ANG TAGALOG NATING BIBLIA; ITO AY SALIN GALING SA HEBREO (LUMANG TIPAN) AT GRIEGO (BAGONG TIPAN).
HINDI KA PWEDENG MAGSALIN NG TAGALOG NA BIBLIA GALING SA INGLES NA BIBLIA DAHIL ANG ORIHINAL NA BIBLIA AY ISINULAT SA HEBREO (LUMANG TIPAN) AT GRIEGO (BAGONG TIPAN).
ITO ANG DAHILAN KUNG BAKIT HINDI GINAGAMIT ANG LAMSA VERSION NG KARAMIHAN.

NGAYON TUNGKOL SA GAWA 20:28 NA GALING SA GRIEGO; SA IBANG VERSION AY "IGLESIA NG PANGINOON" AT SA IBANG VERSION NAMAN AY "IGLESIA NG DIYOS".
PAANO NATIN MALALAMAN NGAYON KUNG ALIN DIYAN ANG TAMA?
WELL, SURIIN NATIN ANG BAGONG TIPAN.
BUKOD SA GAWA 20:28, MERON KA PA BANG MABABASA NA "IGLESIA NG PANGINOON" SA BAGONG TIPAN? ANG SAGOT; WALA.

PAANO NAMAN NGAYON ANG "IGLESIA NG DIYOS"; BUKOD SA GAWA 20:28 MAY MABABASA KA PA BANG "IGLESIA NG DIYOS" SA BAGONG TIPAN? SAGOT; OO, MARAMI.
1Co_1:2 Sa iglesia ng Dios na nasa Corinto, sa makatuwid baga'y sa mga pinapagingbanal kay Cristo Jesus, na tinawag na mangagbanal, na kasama ng lahat ng mga nagsisitawag sa bawa't dako, sa pangalan ng ating Panginoong Jesucristo, na kanila at ating Panginoon:
1Co_11:22 Ano, wala baga kayong mga bahay na inyong makakanan at maiinuman? o niwawalang halaga ninyo ang iglesia ng Dios, at hinihiya ninyo ang mga wala ng anoman? Ano ang aking sasabihin sa inyo? Kayo baga'y aking pupurihin? Sa bagay na ito ay hindi ko kayo pinupuri.
1Co_15:9 Ako nga ang pinakamaliit sa mga apostol, at hindi ako karapatdapat na tawaging apostol, sapagka't pinagusig ko ang iglesia ng Dios.
2Co_1:1 Si Pablo, na Apostol ni Cristo Jesus sa pamamagitan ng kalooban ng Dios, at si Timoteo, na ating kapatid sa Iglesia ng Dios na nasa Corinto, kalakip ng lahat ng mga banal na nasa buong Acaya.
Gal_1:13 Sapagka't inyong nabalitaan ang aking pamumuhay nang nakaraang panahon sa relihion ng mga Judio, kung paanong aking inuusig na malabis, at nilipol ang iglesia ng Dios:
1Th_2:14 Sapagka't kayo, mga kapatid, ay nagsitulad sa mga iglesia ng Dios na nasa Judea kay Cristo Jesus: sapagka't nagsipagbata naman kayo sa inyong sariling mga kababayan, gaya naman nila sa mga Judio;
2Th_1:4 Ano pa't kami sa aming sarili ay nangagkakapuri sa inyo sa mga iglesia ng Dios dahil sa inyong pagtitiis at pananampalataya sa lahat ng mga paguusig sa inyo at sa mga kapighatiang inyong tinitiis;
1Ti_3:5 (Nguni't kung ang sinoman nga ay hindi marunong mamahala sa kaniyang sariling sangbahayan paanong makapamamahala sa iglesia ng Dios?)
1Ti_3:15 Nguni't kung ako'y magluwat ng mahabang panahon, ay upang maalaman mo kung paano ang dapat sa mga tao na ugaliin nila sa bahay ng Dios, na siyang iglesia ng Dios na buhay, at haligi at suhay ng katotohanan.

NGAYON, KUNG MARAMING "IGLESIA NG DIYOS" NA MABABASA AT WALANG "IGLESIA NG PANGINOON NA MABABASA" SA BAGONG TIPAN; THEN MOST LIKELY, ANG "IGLESIA NG DIYOS" ANG TAMANG SALIN SA GAWA 20:28.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby JJF » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:15 pm

epleng wrote:KUNG IKAW AY BINIGYAN NG DIYOS NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN, PAGKATAPOS AY NAWALA;
THEN HINDI NA YON MATATAWAG PANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN, KUNDI BUHAY NA MAY HANGGANAN.
ANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN AY HINDI NAPUPUTOL, TULUY-TULOY YAN; KAYA NGA WALANG HANGGAN.
KAYA HINDI PUPWEDENG MAWALA ANG KALIGTASAN.


Natawa ako dito. Hindi pa po nabibigay ang buhay na walang hanggan. Wag ka pong mag-ilusyon. :lol: Pangako pa lang po ito. Ang pangakong kaloob na buhay na walang hanggan ay makakamit lang po sa pagdating ng Panginoong Jesus. Kaya po tayo sumasampalataya dahil sa pangakong ito. Inaasahan pa lamang po natin ito gaya ng sabi sa Hebrews 11:1. Ang kaligtasan o buhay na walang hanggan ay sa pamamagitan ng Panginoong Jesus (1 Thessalonians 5:9) dahil Siya ang tagapagligtas ng katawan o ng Iglesia ni Cristo (Ephesians 5:23). Sa makatuwid, kailangan po nating mapasama sa Iglesia ni Cristo upang maligtas sapagkat hahatulan po ng Diyos ang lahat ng nasa labas ng iglesia (1 Corinthians 5:13). At ang Panginoong Jesus na mismo ang nagsabi kung paano magkakaroon ng buhay na walang hanggan:

Matthew 19:16-17(CEV)
A man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?”
Jesus said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. If you want to have eternal life, you must obey his commandments.”

Oo, kailangan po nating sumunod upang makamit natin ang buhay na walang hanggan. Kaya kung hindi ka sumunod mawawala sa iyo ang pagkakataong makamit ito. Ngunit napakabait ng Diyos, magbalik loob lamang po tayo sa Kanya at siguradong tatanggapin Niya tayo ulit.

Romans 11:22-23 (NIV)
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Ang hindi po nawawala ay ang pangako ng Diyos, nandyan lamang yan, hinihintay lang po tayo na mahanap natin ang katotohanan dahil gusto ng Diyos na lahat tayo ay maligtas (1 Timothy 2:4). Sana ay naunawaan mo.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby epleng » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:52 am

Ha? What are you talking about? I'm not saying faith and works are the same, I'm saying that the law of Christ is the same as the law of faith, because risour faith is based on the Lord Jesus Christ. If you truly have faith in Him you will surely obey Him and be part of His church, the Church of Christ. And let me give you a hint, the Lord Jesus Christ said John 8:31 to those who already believed in Him


LAW OF CHRIST IS NOT THE SAME AS THE LAW OF FAITH. LAW OF CHRIST IS ABOUT WORKS WHILE LAW OF FAITH IS ABOUT FAITH.
WORKS IS NOT FAITH AND FAITH IS NOT WORKS.
JOHN 8:31 DOES NOT BACK UP WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING; IT JUST SIMPLY MEANS THAT TRUE FAITH PRODUCES WORKS.

epleng wrote:
Mark 16:16
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
1) DOES WATER BAPTISM REALLY NEEDED FOR SALVATION?
2) HOW COME ON THE SECOND PHRASE IT DID NOT SAY "BUT HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE AND NOT BAPTIZED WILL BE CONDEMNED"?
3) WERE THERE ANY PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT WATER BAPTIZED YET STILL PART OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?
4) IF THEY WERE NOT WATER BAPTIZED THEN HOW COULD THEY STILL BE PART OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?

1) Isn't it?
2) Because if you don't believe you are considered already condemned in the eyes of God, in other words those who have heard the gospel but are still outside the church, are already condemned.
3) Bro. Felix Y. Manalo??
4) Yes.


1) NO, SALVATION IS A GRACE OF GOD AND GRACE IS ONLY ATTAINABLE BY FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS. WATER BAPTISM IS WORK.
2) IF YOU TRULY UNDERSTAND MARK 16:16, FAITH IS THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED PEOPLE AND NOT WATER BAPTISM. WATER BAPTISM IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WATER BAPTISM IS NO LONGER AT THE SECOND PHRASE OF THE VERSE. THE IDEA HERE IS THIS: IF YOU TRULY BELIEVED YOU WOULD OBEY AND BE BAPTIZED BUT IF YOU DON'T TRULY BELIEVED THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE GOING TO OBEY AND BE BAPTIZED.
3) I AM NOT ASKING ABOUT FELIX MANALO, I AM ASKING ABOUT OTHER BELIEVERS WHO WERE NOT BAPTIZED YET STILL MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
4) YOU HAVE NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

Yup, that's what I said. Are you really reading my post? As I said a member is called a Church of Christ because he/she is part of Jesus' body. We are the "Churches of Christ", in tagalog we are called, "Mga Iglesia ni Cristo"


THE WORD "CHURCH" IN THE BIBLE COMES FROM THE GREEK WORD "EKKLESIA" DERIVING FROM THE COMPOUND ROOT OF "EK" MEANING "OUT" AND "KALEO" MEANING "CALLED OR TO CALL". SO THE "CHURCH" IN ITS BASE ROOT "EKKALEO" ACTUALLY MEANS "CALLED OUT", AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY CHURCH ARE BOTH AN ASSEMBLY OR AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON (ROMANS 16:16). "CHURCH OF CHRIST" IS NOT A NAME OF A RELIGION BUT RATHER "CALLED OUT" INDIVIDUALS FORMING AN ASSEMBLY THAT MAKES THE BODY OF CHRIST AS A WHOLE. "CHURCH OF CHRIST" IS NOT RELIGION, IT IS PEOPLE.

Yeah, because you don't have a religion

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? LIKE I SAID, THE NAME OF RELIGION IS IRRELEVANT. IT IS IMPORTANT HOWEVER TO BE IN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST BUT CHURCH OF CHRIST IS NOT A NAME OF A PARTICULAR RELIGION.

Ha? Are you really reading the Bible? The God who is referred to throughout the Bible is no other than God the Father. So you can't say that God in there is Jesus. If you can show me a verse that says "God Jesus Christ" then I'll accept what you are saying. So until then, please believe the translation of Lamsa is the more rightful translation for the verse.


THAT IS NOT TRUE, GOD CAN ALSO REFER TO JESUS CHRIST IN THE BIBLE. WHY WOULD I BELIEVED THAT THE LAMSA TRANSLATION OF ACTS 20:28 IS THE CORRECT TRANSLATION WHEN IT IS NOT TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WHICH IS GREEK.

Yes there isn't a phrase that say "to maintain it" but I'm asking you why are you working out your body? Isn't is to maintain it? You are the one that said to work out is to exercise. Then why are you working out your salvation? For nothing? Let me enlighten you, all that are part of the Church of Christ are already saved, they have done the will of God to be part of Christ. But being part of the church enough to be saved? One must endure until the end for one to attain the promised eternal life.
Hebrews 10:36 (NLT)
Patient endurance is what you need now, so that you will continue to do God’s will. Then you will receive all that he has promised.


WE ARE WORKING OUT OUR SALVATION BECAUSE GOD SAVED US TO DO GOOD WORKS.
THESE ARE THE EVIDENCES OF A TRULY SAVED PERSON:
OBEDIENCE, GOOD WORKS, AND REMAINING FAITHFUL UNTO THE END.
THESE ARE THE PRODUCT OF SALVATION BUT NOT THE MEANS OF SALVATION.
IN HEBREWS 10:36, CHRISTIANS ARE REMINDED TO ENDURE PATIENTLY TO CONTINUE DOING GOD'S WILL, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T; THEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

So, you accept that God's foreknowledge has nothing to do or does not affect one's salvation because God has given us freewill. Ok, thank you.


WHOSE TELLING YOU THAT GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE HAS SOMETHING TO DO OR IN ANYWAY AFFECTED HIS DECISION OF WHOM TO SAVE? YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS THINKING THAT WAY.

Natawa ako dito. Hindi pa po nabibigay ang buhay na walang hanggan. Wag ka pong mag-ilusyon. Pangako pa lang po ito. Ang pangakong kaloob na buhay na walang hanggan ay makakamit lang po sa pagdating ng Panginoong Jesus. Kaya po tayo sumasampalataya dahil sa pangakong ito. Inaasahan pa lamang po natin ito gaya ng sabi sa Hebrews 11:1. Ang kaligtasan o buhay na walang hanggan ay sa pamamagitan ng Panginoong Jesus (1 Thessalonians 5:9) dahil Siya ang tagapagligtas ng katawan o ng Iglesia ni Cristo (Ephesians 5:23). Sa makatuwid, kailangan po nating mapasama sa Iglesia ni Cristo upang maligtas sapagkat hahatulan po ng Diyos ang lahat ng nasa labas ng iglesia (1 Corinthians 5:13). At ang Panginoong Jesus na mismo ang nagsabi kung paano magkakaroon ng buhay na walang hanggan:

Matthew 19:16-17(CEV)
A man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?”
Jesus said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. If you want to have eternal life, you must obey his commandments.”

Oo, kailangan po nating sumunod upang makamit natin ang buhay na walang hanggan. Kaya kung hindi ka sumunod mawawala sa iyo ang pagkakataong makamit ito. Ngunit napakabait ng Diyos, magbalik loob lamang po tayo sa Kanya at siguradong tatanggapin Niya tayo ulit.

Romans 11:22-23 (NIV)
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Ang hindi po nawawala ay ang pangako ng Diyos, nandyan lamang yan, hinihintay lang po tayo na mahanap natin ang katotohanan dahil gusto ng Diyos na lahat tayo ay maligtas (1 Timothy 2:4). Sana ay naunawaan mo.


QUESTION: WHEN DO WE GET ETERNAL LIFE? IS IT NOW OR IN THE FUTURE?
ANSWER: BOTH, BECAUSE ETERNAL LIFE STARTS NOW AND CONTINUES INTO THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE BIBLE ALSO ADDRESSED ETERNAL LIFE BEING A PROMISE OR SOMETIMES AN INHERITANCE. SO IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT ETERNAL LIFE IS ONLY FUTURE, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE.

HERE ARE SOME VERSES PROVING THAT ETERNAL LIFE STARTS THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVED:
1 John 5:11-13
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24
New King James Version (NKJV)
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 3:36
New King James Version (NKJV)
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 10:27-28
New King James Version (NKJV)
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

John 6:47, 54
New King James Version (NKJV)
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 19:16-17(CEV)
A man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?”
Jesus said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. If you want to have eternal life, you must obey his commandments.”
1) IS THIS REALLY A CLEAR STATEMENT OF JESUS THAT ETERNAL LIFE IS ATTAINABLE BY WORKS? OR IS IT ONLY A TEST FOR RICH YOUNG RULER?
2) WHAT COMMANDMENTS DO WE HAVE TO OBEY HERE? IS IT NOT THE LAW OF MOSES, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS? I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME THAT WE ARE NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES ANYMORE?
3) CAN ANYBODY OBEY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS? IF NOBODY CAN, THEN HOW CAN THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Romans 11:22-23 (NIV)
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
1) FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE DISCUSS THE WHOLE CHAPTER 11 OF ROMANS BY CONTEXT; I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME WHOSE WHO WITHIN THE CHAPTER:
WHO IS THE OLIVE TREE?
WHO ARE THE ROOTS?
WHO ARE THE BROKEN OFF BRANCHES?
WHO ARE THE WILD OLIVE SHOOTS THAT WERE GRAFTED IN?
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby jessibelle » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:13 am

2:25 At ito ang pangakong kaniyang ipinangako sa atin, ang buhay na walang hanggan. taglay na ba nila o hindi pa. namatay sila di ba. e ang pangako, taglay o hindi. taglay nila na sa wakas ay muli silang bubuhayin at mamumuhay ng walang hanggan.

at ang mga manuscripto pong ginagamit ay salin ng mga salin, at hindi malaman kung ano ang salin mula sa orihinal. tulad ng aramaic at ng saling ginagamit nyo ay hindi nakabatay sa orihinal kundi sa mga salin ng mga salin ng mga salin.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby JJF » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:08 pm

epleng wrote:LAW OF CHRIST IS NOT THE SAME AS THE LAW OF FAITH. LAW OF CHRIST IS ABOUT WORKS WHILE LAW OF FAITH IS ABOUT FAITH.
WORKS IS NOT FAITH AND FAITH IS NOT WORKS.
JOHN 8:31 DOES NOT BACK UP WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING; IT JUST SIMPLY MEANS THAT TRUE FAITH PRODUCES WORKS.


You can't say faith is enough because you need works to be saved. You can't say works are enough because you need first to have faith.Just like you said true faith produces works. Without the works you can say it is true in the first place. They are just the same because faith and works go hand-in-hand.

epleng wrote:1) NO, SALVATION IS A GRACE OF GOD AND GRACE IS ONLY ATTAINABLE BY FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS. WATER BAPTISM IS WORK.
2) IF YOU TRULY UNDERSTAND MARK 16:16, FAITH IS THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED PEOPLE AND NOT WATER BAPTISM. WATER BAPTISM IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WATER BAPTISM IS NO LONGER AT THE SECOND PHRASE OF THE VERSE. THE IDEA HERE IS THIS: IF YOU TRULY BELIEVED YOU WOULD OBEY AND BE BAPTIZED BUT IF YOU DON'T TRULY BELIEVED THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE GOING TO OBEY AND BE BAPTIZED.
3) I AM NOT ASKING ABOUT FELIX MANALO, I AM ASKING ABOUT OTHER BELIEVERS WHO WERE NOT BAPTIZED YET STILL MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
4) YOU HAVE NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION.


1) As it said in the verse if you are baptized you will be saved, what is your problem with that?
2) Nope, it said who believes and is baptized, so baptism is a requirement. Nope, the idea here is if you truly believe you will obey because being baptized is obeying what Jesus' said.
3) Bro. Felix Manalo was a member of the Church of Christ even though he was not baptized.
4) Because God was the one who have baptized him.

epleng wrote:THE WORD "CHURCH" IN THE BIBLE COMES FROM THE GREEK WORD "EKKLESIA" DERIVING FROM THE COMPOUND ROOT OF "EK" MEANING "OUT" AND "KALEO" MEANING "CALLED OR TO CALL". SO THE "CHURCH" IN ITS BASE ROOT "EKKALEO" ACTUALLY MEANS "CALLED OUT", AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY CHURCH ARE BOTH AN ASSEMBLY OR AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON (ROMANS 16:16). "CHURCH OF CHRIST" IS NOT A NAME OF A RELIGION BUT RATHER "CALLED OUT" INDIVIDUALS FORMING AN ASSEMBLY THAT MAKES THE BODY OF CHRIST AS A WHOLE. "CHURCH OF CHRIST" IS NOT RELIGION, IT IS PEOPLE.


You can say whatever you can but it will not change the reality that Jesus built His church and it is named after Him, the Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo :P And as you said the name of religion is irrelevant so what is your problem then?

epleng wrote:HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? LIKE I SAID, THE NAME OF RELIGION IS IRRELEVANT. IT IS IMPORTANT HOWEVER TO BE IN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST BUT CHURCH OF CHRIST IS NOT A NAME OF A PARTICULAR RELIGION.


Is this an affirmation? :P

epleng wrote:THAT IS NOT TRUE, GOD CAN ALSO REFER TO JESUS CHRIST IN THE BIBLE. WHY WOULD I BELIEVED THAT THE LAMSA TRANSLATION OF ACTS 20:28 IS THE CORRECT TRANSLATION WHEN IT IS NOT TRANSLATED FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WHICH IS GREEK.


Nope, because there is only one God and it is the Father. Well it is a matter of belief, just like you don't have a religion and I have one.

epleng wrote:WE ARE WORKING OUT OUR SALVATION BECAUSE GOD SAVED US TO DO GOOD WORKS.
THESE ARE THE EVIDENCES OF A TRULY SAVED PERSON:
OBEDIENCE, GOOD WORKS, AND REMAINING FAITHFUL UNTO THE END.
THESE ARE THE PRODUCT OF SALVATION BUT NOT THE MEANS OF SALVATION.
IN HEBREWS 10:36, CHRISTIANS ARE REMINDED TO ENDURE PATIENTLY TO CONTINUE DOING GOD'S WILL, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T; THEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.


Please, please just show me the verse and don't say anything beyond it.

epleng wrote:WHOSE TELLING YOU THAT GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE HAS SOMETHING TO DO OR IN ANYWAY AFFECTED HIS DECISION OF WHOM TO SAVE? YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS THINKING THAT WAY.


You are, you have affirmed that regardless of what anyone do, God have already foreknown everyone who will be saved and not. It is like being judge from the very beginning. And it is not even written in the Bible, what is written, God wants everyone to be saved!

epleng wrote:QUESTION: WHEN DO WE GET ETERNAL LIFE? IS IT NOW OR IN THE FUTURE?
ANSWER: BOTH, BECAUSE ETERNAL LIFE STARTS NOW AND CONTINUES INTO THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE BIBLE ALSO ADDRESSED ETERNAL LIFE BEING A PROMISE OR SOMETIMES AN INHERITANCE. SO IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT ETERNAL LIFE IS ONLY FUTURE, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE.

HERE ARE SOME VERSES PROVING THAT ETERNAL LIFE STARTS THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVED:
1 John 5:11-13
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24
New King James Version (NKJV)
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 3:36
New King James Version (NKJV)
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 10:27-28
New King James Version (NKJV)
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

John 6:47, 54
New King James Version (NKJV)
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.


It is not eternal life per se, it is the promise of eternal life that was given. If it is given literally right now then there must be someone who have already live forever :lol:

epleng wrote:Matthew 19:16-17(CEV)
A man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?”
Jesus said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. If you want to have eternal life, you must obey his commandments.”
1) IS THIS REALLY A CLEAR STATEMENT OF JESUS THAT ETERNAL LIFE IS ATTAINABLE BY WORKS? OR IS IT ONLY A TEST FOR RICH YOUNG RULER?
2) WHAT COMMANDMENTS DO WE HAVE TO OBEY HERE? IS IT NOT THE LAW OF MOSES, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS? I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME THAT WE ARE NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES ANYMORE?
3) CAN ANYBODY OBEY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS? IF NOBODY CAN, THEN HOW CAN THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?


So you reject what the Lord Jesus Christ said? Hmmm.... If you think that eternal life is easy to achieve then you are mistaken. There is more to it and it is written all over the Bible and we discuss it already.

epleng wrote:Romans 11:22-23 (NIV)
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
1) FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE DISCUSS THE WHOLE CHAPTER 11 OF ROMANS BY CONTEXT; I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME WHOSE WHO WITHIN THE CHAPTER:
WHO IS THE OLIVE TREE?
WHO ARE THE ROOTS?
WHO ARE THE BROKEN OFF BRANCHES?
WHO ARE THE WILD OLIVE SHOOTS THAT WERE GRAFTED IN?


You are the expert, explain it to me. But to summarize it, it is about the mercy of God, so turn back to God and join Iglesia ni Cristo.
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Re: PAANO TAYO MALILIGTAS?

Postby epleng » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:05 pm

jessibelle wrote:2:25 At ito ang pangakong kaniyang ipinangako sa atin, ang buhay na walang hanggan. taglay na ba nila o hindi pa. namatay sila di ba. e ang pangako, taglay o hindi. taglay nila na sa wakas ay muli silang bubuhayin at mamumuhay ng walang hanggan.

at ang mga manuscripto pong ginagamit ay salin ng mga salin, at hindi malaman kung ano ang salin mula sa orihinal. tulad ng aramaic at ng saling ginagamit nyo ay hindi nakabatay sa orihinal kundi sa mga salin ng mga salin ng mga salin.


ANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN AY NAGSISIMULA NGAYON AT NAGPAPATULOY SA HINAHARAP. DAHIL SA ITO AY NAGPAPATULOY SA HINAHARAP, ITO AY TINATATAWAG NA PANGAKO O MANA.

ITO ANG PATUNAY NA ANG MGA MANANAMPALATAYA AY MERON NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN BAGO PA MAN SILA BUHAYIN NA MAG-ULI.
Joh 6:40 Sapagka't ito ang kalooban ng aking Ama, na ang bawa't nakakakita sa Anak, at sa kaniya'y sumampalataya, ay magkaroon ng walang hanggang buhay; at akin siyang ibabangon sa huling araw.
Joh 6:54 Ang kumakain ng aking laman at umiinom ng aking dugo ay may buhay na walang hanggan; at siya'y aking ibabangon sa huling araw.
TANDAAN MO, ANG MGA TAONG HINDI LIGTAS AY BUBUHAYIN DIN NA MAG-ULI; HINDI BA?

WALA NAMAN SAYONG TUMUTUTOL NA ANG BIBLIA NATIN NGAYON AY SALIN NG MGA SALIN, ANG SINASABI KO SAYO AY ITO: HINDI KA PWEDENG MAGSALIN SA IBANG WIKA THEN ISALIN MO ULIT SA IBANG WIKA THEN ISALIN MO ULIT SA IBANG WIKA; IF YOU DO THAT, YOU WILL BE LOST IN TRANSLATION. THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRANSLATE FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE; TO PRESERVE THE CONTEXT AND NOT BE LOST IN TRANSLATION.
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